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Yet again the West for their own political aspirations are  poking their distinctly aggressive noses where they should'nt. William Gladys.

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US warships enter Egypt's Suez Canal 02 Mar 2011 The USS Kearsarge and the Ponce, two US amphibious assault ships, have entered the Suez Canal on their way to Libya, a canal official says. The two US warships with hundreds of Marines on board headed towards Libya on Tuesday and entered Egypt's Suez Canal on Wednesday, Reuters reported. The ships were at the southern mouth of the canal, the official said, adding that they were expected to pass through by 3:30 p.m. or 4:00 p.m. local time.

 

2 US ships move closer to Libya, enter Suez Canal 02 Mar 2011 Egyptian officials say two U.S. warships have entered the Suez Canal on their way to the Mediterranean, moving closer to the Libyan coast after orders from Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The officials say amphibious assault ships USS Kearsarge and USS Ponce, entered the canal on Wednesday morning from the Red Sea. They say USS Kearsarge is carrying some 42 helicopters on board.

 

US UK, French forces land in Libya 01 Mar 2011 The United States, Britain and France have sent several hundred "defence advisors" to train and support the anti-Gadhafi forces in oil-rich Eastern Libya where "rebels armed groups" have apparently taken over. According to an exclusive report confirmed by a Libyan diplomat in the region "the three Western states have landed their "special forces troops in Cyrinacia and are now setting up their bases and training centres" to reinforce the rebel forces who are resisting pro-Qaddafi forces in several adjoining areas. A Libyan official who requested not to be identified said that the U.S. and British military gurus were sent on February 23 and 24 night through American and French warships and small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk.

 

US Senate calls for no-fly zone on Libya 02 Mar 2011 The US Senate has unanimously passed a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Libya as Washington is preparing the ground for military intervention in the oil-rich country. The symbolic resolution, passed on Tuesday, "urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory." The US Senate Armed Services Committee has announced that all options, including the military option, should be on the table.

 

Gadhafi forces seize back rebel-held eastern town --Rebels report that there was an aerial bombardment of Brega by Gadhafi's forces, who managed to take back the city after losing it in violent clashes with the rebels. 02 Mar 2011 Forces loyal to Muammar Gadhafi have recaptured a town in Libya's mostly rebel-held east, rebel military officers said on Wednesday, in an attempt to break the momentum of a popular rebellion against his 41-year-old rule. Forces sent by the Libyan leader had seized back Marsa El Brega after violent clashes with rebels who had controlled the town 800 km east of the capital Tripoli, the rebel officers told Reuters.

 

Gaddafi loyalists advance to east 02 Mar 2011 Forces loyal to the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are moving into rebel territory in the east, capturing an oil installation in the town of Brega. The BBC's John Simpson in the nearby city of Ajdabiya says the 100-vehicle convoy is expected to head towards it, and an arms dump there has been bombed. The city's defenders are in a high state of excitement and expecting an attack, our correspondent says.

 

UK, Germany fly secret missions into Libya --Secret military missions signal readiness of Western nations to disregard Libya's territorial integrity 28 Feb 2011 British and German military planes swooped into Libya's desert, rescuing hundreds of oil workers and civilians stranded at remote sites, as thousands of other foreigners are still stuck in Tripoli by bad weather and red tape. Three British Royal Air Force planes plucked 150 stranded civilians from multiple locations in the eastern Libyan desert before flying them to Malta on Sunday, the British Defence Ministry said in a statement.

 

USS Enterprise on its way to Libya as America and Britain ramp up threats to enforce no-fly zone --David Cameron vows military action if killings continue --Pentagon says ships preparing for no-fly zone or humanitarian aid oil-seizing missions 01 Mar 2011 The U.S. Navy was repositioning its heavy-hitting warships around North Africa tonight as America and Britain dramatically increased pressure on Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi. The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, which had been had been on pirate-hunting duty [?] off the coast of Somalia, has now steamed to the mouth of the Suez Canal in the Red Sea.

 

U.S. Readies Military Options on Libya 01 Mar 2011 The United States began moving warships toward Libya and froze $30 billion in the country's assets on Monday as the administration declared all options on the table in its diplomatic, economic and military campaign to drive Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi from power. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the administration was conferring with allies about imposing a no-fly zone over Libya. Such a move would likely be carried out only under a mandate from the United Nations or NATO. "No option is off the table," Mrs. Clinton told reporters after a special meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council, adding "that of course includes a no-fly zone."

 

Libya's opposition resumes oil exports 28 Feb 2011 Libya's opposition says that it has resumes oil exports suspended by the revolution in the country, noting that a tanker has been loaded with one million barrels of crude for China. It will be the first cargo of crude to sail from Libya since February 19, after security forces begun a crackdown on pro-democracy protesters. Rebels in the east of Libya now say they control most of the oil facilities in the world's 12th largest oil exporter. [What excuse will US corpora-terrorists and their GOP-pwned trolls supply NOW for skyrocketing oil prices?]

 

'540 students abducted in Libya' 02 Mar 2011 Forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have reportedly abducted 540 university students along with a number of other Libyan citizens. The university students were kidnapped from their dormitories in the faculty of aerospace in Misrata, while a number of other Libyan citizens were kidnapped from the city of al-Zawiya, "informed sources" told Iran's Arabic-language news channel Al-Alam.

 

African commission asked to take case challenging CIA rendition program 28 Feb 2011 A case filed before an African judicial body could open a new front in efforts by human rights groups to hold the CIA and its partners accountable for what they allege was the torture of innocent victims in secret "black site" prisons around the world. The case involves Mohammed al-Asad, who said he was arrested in late 2003 at his home in Tanzania, blindfolded and flown to a secret prison in Djibouti. He said he was subjected to two weeks of torture and inhuman treatment in a clandestine CIA rendition and detentions program designed to nab suspected terrorists.

 

Pakistan arrests US security contractor, Aaron Dehaven, as rift with CIA deepens --ISI tells American agency to unmask all its covert operatives after arrest of Aaron DeHaven in Peshawar, over visa expiry 25 Feb 2011 Islamabad authorities have arrested a US government security contractor amid a worsening spy agency row between the countries, with Pakistani intelligence calling on the Americans to "come clean" about its network of covert operatives in the country. The arrest came at the start of the murder trial of another American held in Pakistan, the CIA agent Raymond Davis.

 

Israeli drone buzzes over S Lebanon 02 Mar 2011 An Israeli drone has penetrated Lebanese airspace and flown over the southern part of Lebanon in flagrant violation of a UN Security Council resolution. The Israeli aircraft crossed into Lebanese airspace over the village of al-Naqoura, located 91 kilometers (57 miles) south of the capital Beirut, at 6:05 a.m. local time (0305 GMT) on Tuesday and conducted several unwarranted flights, a statement released by the Lebanese military said.

 

UN delegates 'walked out' during Clinton speech 02 Mar 2011  Palestine's delegation to the UN human rights council walked out Monday in protest of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's speech in which she criticized the council for bias against Israel. The Palestinian representative in Geneva on Tuesday confirmed reports in the Arabic media that delegates stormed out of Clinton's speech, which was heavy on criticism of Israel's neighbors and the UN body.

 

Israel: Pressure must be mounted on Iran 01 Mar 2011 Gov't sources say new IAEA report on Iran's nuke program shows necessity of convincing Tehran that the West is willing to use military force. A new IAEA report that Iran may be seeking to develop a nuclear-armed missile only underscores the importance of upgrading pressure on Iran and convincing Tehran that a military option is a real possibility if it doesn't stop pursuing nuclear arms, Israeli government sources said on Monday.

 

No bail for Mass. suspect held in plot to kill US pols 01 Mar 2011 A man accused in a terror plot to shoot shoppers at U.S. malls, assassinate two politicians and kill American troops in Iraq was denied bail Tuesday by a federal judge. U.S. District Court Judge George O'Toole Jr. ruled against granting bail for Tarek Mehanna, who was seeking release to better consult with his lawyers and because his lawyers said the case against him was "paper thin." Mehanna has been held without bail since October 2009 on charges including conspiring to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, al-Qaida [al-CIAduh].

 

Former Reagan Official: 'If law fails, CIA will assassinate Assange' 28 Feb 2011 Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for President Reagan and co-founder of the famed Reaganomics, Paul Craig Roberts talks with RT America about Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. "If this [legal remedy] fails, he'll simply be assassinated by a CIA assassinate team," says Roberts. He said, "[Assange] is very much a threat. Not just to the American government but the British government and any number of governments. And so, there is a concerted effort to nail him, to shut him up. In my opinion, if the legal attempt, which I'm sure the United States government is behind, if this fails, he'll simply be assassinated by a CIA assassination team. It's common practice for the CIA to do that. It's nothing unusual about it."

 

US awards $215 million pacts for flu vaccines made with insect cells, e.coli 28 Feb 2011 Drug makers Novavax Inc. and VaxInnate Inc. have won contracts worth a combined $215 million to develop flu vaccines for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. In the wake of the[ir] swine flu pandemic, the World Health Organization has said health authorities need to ramp up the speed and volume of production during the[ir] next global outbreak... Rockville, Md.-based Novavax Inc. won a contract worth $97 million over three years, with an option to extend the contract for two years for a total value of $179.1 million. Novavax will develop new technology to make vaccines using insect cells. [We can't get the public option, or pay firemen and teachers -- but there's $215 million to pay pharma-terrorists to make vaccines with insect cells and e.coli, to 'battle' the outbreaks and pandemics that they themselves create? There's *trillions* available for endless Wall Street welfare/tax breaks, perpetual wars for oil and water, and for mercury-laden, insect-filled vaccines, but *nothing* for the victims of the sociopaths running this show. It's time - *long past time* - for American Revolution #2. --Lori Price]

 

Scientists mix H1N1, H9N2 to create hybrid viruses packed with 'greater killing power' --'The possibility of novel pandemic strains being generated from reassortment between avian H9N2 and H1N1/2009 influenza viruses exists.' 28 Feb 2011 The H1N1 swine flu virus is compatible with a bird flu virus that is endemic in poultry in Asia and they can produce hybrid viruses packed with greater killing power, Chinese researchers warned on Monday. The scientists made 127 hybrid viruses by mixing genes of the H1N1 and the avian H9N2 virus in a laboratory, and eight of the hybrids turned out to be more virulent than either parents when tested in mice.

 

U.S. govt doctors sprayed pandemic flu virus in the noses of Maryland prisoners --Pictures that show how U.S. experimented on its own disabled citizens and prison inmates 28 Feb 2011 Pictures have emerged providing the shocking proof that U.S. government doctors once experimented on disabled American citizens and prison inmates. Such experiments included giving hepatitis to mental patients in Connecticut, squirting a pandemic flu virus up the noses of prisoners in Maryland, and injecting cancer cells into chronically ill people at a New York hospital... For a study in 1957, when the Asian flu pandemic was spreading, federal researchers sprayed the virus in the noses of 23 inmates at Patuxent prison in Jessup, Md., to compare their reactions to those of 32 virus-exposed inmates who had been given a new vaccine.

 

Supreme Court Says AT&T Not Exempt From FOIA 28 Feb 2011 Corporations don't reap the same privacy protections as do people, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday. The court, with Justice Elena Kagan recused, said AT&T did not enjoy the "personal privacy" provision of the Freedom of Information Act as the telecom had claimed. The act exempts the government from publicly disclosing law enforcement records if they "constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."

 

TSA employee charged with helping drug dealers at airport 01 Mar 2011 A federal Homeland Security employee who assisted in screening passengers at the Buffalo Niagara International Airport was arrested today on charges that she provided help to drug dealers at the airport. Minnetta Walker was arrested this morning by agents from the FBI and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. Police said she is alleged to have assisted "known drug traffickers" with information and with getting through airport security checkpoint. [I guess groping fourteen-year-olds wasn't as lucrative as they would have liked.]

 

Koch group Americans for Prosperity campaigning in Wisconsin 28 Feb 2011 Americans for Prosperity, a political action group financed by the billionaire Koch brothers, has been active in supporting Gov. Scott Walker and his budget-repair bill. AFP director Tim Phillips said Monday that his group already had spent $400,000 on TV and radio ads in the state in support of the governor. The Koch brothers also have donated to Walker's gubernatorial campaign and the Republican Governors Association, among others.

 

Advocacy groups decry proposed Medicaid changes --Walker wants to limit oversight from Legislature 01 Mar 2011 Advocacy groups ranging from Disability Rights Wisconsin to Mental Health America of Wisconsin to AARP Wisconsin are opposing Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to give his administration the freedom to revamp BadgerCare Plus and other Medicaid programs with minimal oversight from the Legislature. The provision in Walker's budget-repair bill would allow the secretary of the Department of Health Services to make sweeping changes in the program with approval from just the Joint Finance Committee instead of the full Legislature.

 

Unions polling well, Scott Walker polling poorly 01 Mar 2011 According to a new NYT/CBS poll, a third of Americans view them favorably, a quarter of Americans view them unfavorably, and the rest are undecided. The same poll showed Americans opposed weakening the bargaining rights of union members by an almost two-to-one margin. Nor does the public like the idea of cutting the pay or benefits of union employees to balance budgets: 56 percent opposed that strategy, while 37 percent supported it... A Pew poll released yesterday found the unions winning over the public in Wisconsin -- they led Walker by 11 points.

 

Wisconsin's Walker Seeks Almost 22,000 Job Cuts in Budget 01 Mar 2011 Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker proposed cutting almost 22,000 state jobs over two years and requiring workers to contribute more to their health and retirement plans to close a [GOP-created] $3.6 billion budget deficit [due to tax cuts for the wealthy and Walker the Whackjob's corporate overlords].The first-term Republican, whose plan to curb collective bargaining for public workers spurred protests across the U.S., would cut money for most state departments by 10 percent and lower public-education funds by more than $700 million..

 

GOP spending plan would cost 700,000 jobs, new report says 28 Feb 2011 A Republican plan to sharply cut federal spending this year would destroy 700,000 jobs through 2012, according to an independent economic analysis set for release Monday. The report, by Moody's Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi, offers fresh ammunition to Democrats seeking block the Republican plan, which would terminate dozens of programs and slash federal appropriations by $61 billion over the next seven months.

 

Government overlap costs taxpayers billions, GAO reports 02 Mar 2011 With Congress and the White House set to debate the merits of massive spending cuts, federal auditors have identified hundreds of overlapping government offices and programs that if merged or eliminated could save taxpayers billions of dollars. The U.S. government has, for example, more than 100 programs dealing with surface transportation issues, 82 that monitor teacher quality, 80 for economic development, 56 for "financial literacy," 20 offices or programs devoted to homelessness and 17 grant programs for disaster preparedness, according to a Government Accountability Office report released Tuesday. [How about the overlap in paying terrorist groups (Blackwater unsubs and DynCorp, etc.) to wreak havoc all over the globe? Apparently, the federal auditors 'forgot' to look at that one.]

 

U.S. Congress Set to Approve Bill Preventing Government Shutdown 02 Mar 2011 The U.S. Congress is set to give final approval to a stopgap budget bill needed to prevent a government shutdown, clearing the way for difficult negotiations over spending levels for the rest of the 2011 fiscal year. The Senate is to approve today the stopgap measure funding the government until March 18, sending it to President Barack Obama for his signature. The bill, which cuts $4 billion in spending, passed the House yesterday by a 335-91 vote. It would replace a measure currently keeping the government in business that expires March 4.

 

Skyrocketing water bills mystify, anger residents --Wilda Cobbis is astounded at a water bill that now totals $10,071. 01 Mar 2011 Imagine paying as much for water as you do for your mortgage. Residents throughout Atlanta are outraged by hundreds, even thousands of dollars in monthly spikes in their water bills, and have questioned the legitimacy of the charges for years. Now, they're demanding answers. Many of the problems arose after the installation of new, automated water meters, which began nearly five years ago, and involved contracts for meter installations, the electronic meters and software equipment.

 

California should allow gay marriage-att'y general 01 Mar 2011 California's attorney general urged a U.S. appeals court on Tuesday to permit gay marriages while it considers whether to overturn the state's ban on same-sex weddings. Attorney General Kamala Harris, in arguments filed with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, asked the court to dismiss its order prohibiting gay marriages in the most populous U.S. state while a lawsuit over California's ban unfolds.

 

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Fwd: Fw: Stop Rupert Murdoch

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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:37 AM

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Dear friends across the UK,

Our democracy is at risk. Media-mogul Rupert Murdoch wants to extend his massive political influence by taking over BSkyB and controlling nearly half the British media! We have just 24 hours to press the government to stand up for British media and democracy and stop Rupert Murdoch:

In 24 hours, nearly half our mass media could be owned by Rupert Murdoch.

For four decades he has interfered with our democracy -- determining election results, bolstering politicians in exchange for influence, and smearing others who refuse his orders. But he may have finally gone too far -- with just 24 hours left before the decision, the coalition is still deeply divided on Murdoch's bid for BSkyB.

The government is deciding right now whether Murdoch can gain control of one of Britain's largest news corporations. Let's tip the balance against Murdoch's attempt to tighten his grip on our media. Click to send an urgent message directly to key decision makers on the BSkyB bid and send this on to everyone -- let's flood our politicians with tens of thousands of messages telling them we want Murdoch's hands off our democracy:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_rupert_murdoch_uk/?vl

Murdoch has used his vast media empire to push war in Iraq, elect George W Bush, and block global action on climate change, and if he wins this week in Britain he will use his networks here to undermine all the issues that we care about. He has manipulated US, British and Australian democracy for years, but now he wants more complete control. In the US, most of the likely Republican presidential candidates are actually paid employees of Murdoch! When his Fox News Network was shunned by Barack Obama as a mere propaganda mouthpiece, it spawned the far right "tea party"and broadcast constant, often hate-filled attacks against Obama and his healthcare and peace agenda -- resulting in a huge win for Republicans in the 2010 congressional elections.

Murdoch media staff have trampled laws and standards when gathering news. Several News Corporation executives approved phone hacking and, when a formal investigation began, they had regular secret meetings with senior police officers who then failed to investigate the full extent of the scandal. Our government should punish such an organisation, not allow it monopoly powers over our media. But if Rupert Murdoch is allowed to buy all of BSkyB this week, he will soon own half of our newspapers and television. This should not be allowed in any democracy.

We can turn the tide on this powerful threat to our democracy. In the end the News of the World phone hacking scandal forced David Cameron's communications director to resign. And a mass outcry from Canadian Avaaz members recently prevented a Murdoch-style TV network from getting taxpayer funding and stopped the Canadian government from removing the journalistic standards that would prevent this new network from spreading lies to the public. The fight against Murdoch has just begun, but already we've begun to win. Let's do the same in Britain! Click below to send an urgent message and send this on to everyone:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_rupert_murdoch_uk/?vl

The power of Avaaz and of this moment in our world's history, is the power of unity. Across the Arab world and beyond, people are coming together in common cause across all boundaries. Murdoch's power is the ability to divide. His networks spew fear and misinformation, dividing left from right, citizens from foreigners, muslim from western, immigrants from non-immigrants, etc. Murdoch knows that democracy must be divided before it can be conquered. This week, let's show him what unity looks like.

With hope,

Ricken, Alex, Emma, Sam, Milena, Alice, Iain, Morgan, Maria Paz and the whole Avaaz team

Sources:

Murdoch close to deal with regulators over Sky
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a40fc482-4060-11e0-9140-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1FHWHwqJE

If Murdoch gets BSkyB, it will be a victory for monopoly capitalism
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/27/rupert-murdoch-bskyb-monopolies

'News of World' bosses dined with Met chief
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/news-of-world-bosses-dined-with-met-chief-2222814.html

Who is Rupert Murdoch?
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/07/b122948.html


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Fwd: [bangla-vision] |troid.org| Important Article: Dividing the Scholars into the 'Harsh Group' and the 'Tolerant Group'

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Bismillaah, wal-hamdulilaah, was-salaatu was-salaamu 'alaa rasoolillaah,

As Salaamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakatuh

  

Dividing the Scholars into the 'Harsh Group' and the 'Tolerant Group'

Tuesday, 01 March 2011

By Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee A very important question answered by Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee on the 'scheme' of those who claim the Scholars are of two types/groups - the lenient, easy balanced group and the harsh, severe, critical group. An unveiling of those who hide behind the mantra, 'al-Albaanee, Ibn Baaz, Uthyameen' or the slogan 'I prefer the manhaj in da'wah of Shaykh so and so over Shaykh so and so...' A reflection upon the scholars of the Salaf, their stance towards bid'ah, the mubtadi'een and whether they were gentle with them, a look at the greatest of scholars in the modern era such as Imaam al-Albaanee, Imaam Ibn Baaz and al-'Uthaymeen and their stance towards criticising Ahlul-Bid'ah and a timeline of modern-day innovators and their trials ('Abdul-Khaaliq, A'roor, al-Ma'ribee and al-Halabee), one by one, their silence about Ahlul-Bid'ah and their attacks upon Ahlus-Sunnah. and how they pulled so many away from the Salafee Manhaj with false principles wrapped in perfumed garments - and without a doubt, they are the true causers of division.    This is one of the methods of the enemies of the Salafi Manhaj. Amongst the Salaf there were those who were harsh and those who were lenient but they never used to hold it against each other. Rather, they used to respect those who were harsh against the followers of falsehood. You have [for example] Hammâd b. Salamah. Imâm Ahmad used to praise him greatly and suspect the religion of anyone who spoke against him *saying+ 'Whoever speaks against Hammâd b. Salamah, then suspect his religion because he was harsh against the People of Bid'ah. ' Being harsh against the people of falsehood used to be a virtue according to the Salaf. But since the People of Bid'ah and misguidance have come and taken over the minds of many of the youth, very regrettably, being harsh against the people of falsehood has become a vice and a defect, and being relaxed and flexible [with them] has become a distinction and an honourable trait.     Shaykh Rabî' Al-Madkhalî on Dividing the Scholars into the 'Harsh Group' and the 'Tolerant Group' Medinah, 28 Shawwal 1431 / 7 October 2010 Shaykh Rabî' b. Hâdî 'Umayr Al-Madkhalî – Allâh preserve and protect him – was asked the following question after a recent lecture he delivered in Masjid Al-Qiblatayn, Medinah.1   [Q]: A novel way of putting people off the scholars has appeared, which is to categorize the scholars into those who are harsh and those who are lenient (tolerant), and sometimes [people who claim this] say the scholars of one region are harsh and those of another are tolerant. What is your guidance on this?   He replied, may Allâh preserve and protect him: [A]:This is one of the methods of the enemies of the Salafi Manhaj. Amongst the Salaf there were those who were harsh and those who were lenient but they never used to hold it against each other. Rather, they used to respect those who were harsh against the followers of falsehood. You have [for example] Hammâd b. Salamah. Imâm Ahmad used to praise him greatly and suspect the religion of anyone who spoke against him *saying+ 'Whoever speaks against Hammâd b. Salamah, then suspect his religion because he was harsh against the People of Bid'ah. ' Being harsh against the people of falsehood used to be a virtue according to the Salaf. But since the People of Bid'ah and misguidance have come and taken over the minds of many of the youth, very regrettably, being harsh against the people of falsehood has become a vice and a defect, and being relaxed and flexible [with them] has become a distinction and an honourable trait. [You must] adhere to the Salafi Manhaj and take the Salafi position towards the People of Bid'ah. It is not wrong to call them to Allâh wisely and through good exhortation. If they respond, thanks and praise be to Allâh. If they do not, there is no wrong in being harsh against them and ... The Salaf were harsh against them, and [in some cases] ordered some of them to be executed ... the Salaf wrote many works in refutation of them...What do you say about them? Read Al-Sharî'ah of Al-Âjurrî, read Al-Sunnah of 'Abdullah b. Ahmad, read Al-Sunnah of Al-Khallâl. Those [who decry being harsh towards the people of falsehood] have not read these works, they have not read these works and seen the position taken by the Salaf towards the People of Bid'ah and deviation. What should our stance be towards the Jahmîyah, what should our stance be towards the Râfidah and what should our stance be towards their followers and supporters? Many who associate themselves with the Salafi Manhaj got influenced by these currents and became compromised and began to fight against the callers to truth and the Sunnah [by accusing them of being] harsh. I have written [refutations] and I am the harshest one. I wrote during the time of Ibn Bâz, Al- Albânî and Al-'Uthaymîn. I refuted the Ikhwân Al-Muslimûn, (the Muslim Brotherhood) Al- Tablîgh (Tablighi Jamat) and all the People of Bid'ah and those scholars supported these writings and supported Rabî'. None of them opposed him and none of them said ... Al-Albânî said a statement praising Rabî', "[Shaykh Rabî'] is the bearer of the standard of Jarh and Ta'dîl in this era." Hmm, what do you think about this? Then [Al-Albâni] said [But Rabî'] has some harshness in him. These compromisers rejoiced and flew with the quote [spreading it everywhere]. I contacted Shaykh Al-Albânî and said, "Why O Shaykh do you accuse me of being harsh?" He said, "By Allâh this is what I personally think." I said, "O Shaykh, this harms the Salafi Da'wah and it harms me." So the Shaykh apologized – Allâh have mercy on him. Shortly afterwards, I sent him [my book] Al-'Awâsim mimmâ fî Kutub Sayed Qutb min Al- Qawâsim, which is the harshest book I have written. [Shaykh Al-Albânî] read it and supported it because it was the truth, and said, 'You have spoken the truth, so continue and do even more O Shaykh Rabî',' or words to that effect, Allâh have mercy on him. Ibn Bâz never ... He used to say, "Refute the People of Bid'ah with wisdom and good exhortation." He never used to oppose me, and by Allâh he wrote to me saying, "It has reached me that you have refuted Al-Mawdûdî – Allâh have mercy on him, and I hope you can send me a copy of this refutation." He never used to object. Shaykh Al-Tuwayjirî used to refute and refute harshly the People of Bid'ah, and Shaykh Ibn Bâz used to support him and recommend his books. Hmm, he never once said – and [Shaykh Al-Tuwayjirî also] used to refute Al-Albânî – Allâh bless you ... Shaykh Ibn Bâz never silenced him, he would never say to him, 'be silent,' he would never say, 'you are harsh,' Allâh bless you. Al-Fawzân used to refute the People of Bid'ah during the time of Shaykh Ibn Bâz, and he never said, 'be silent,' Allâh bless you. Rather he would support him ... there are so many writings [Shaykh Ibn Bâz] recommended of Shaykh Al-Tuwayjirî and he praised my books and my methodology (manhaj), Allâh have mercy on him. All of these Mashâikh used to be supportive. This is the manhaj in which we have become weak. We are not on the same level as we used to be during their time, rather we have become weak but despite this they say we are harsh, and they say Ibn Bâz [was not like you]. By Allâh, Ibn Bâz used to fight the People of Bid'ah and support those who fought them and praise those who fought them, Allâh bless you. Bring me one proof that Ibn Bâz silenced one person who refuted the People of Bid'ah. Did he silence Al-Fawzân? Did he silence Al-Tuwayjirî? Did he silence Rabî'? Did he silence Al- Albânî? Not one of them. Likewise, all the scholars used to support and aid those who speak the word of truth and refute what is wrong. [People] asked Shaykh Al-'Uthaymîn, they said, 'People say such-and-such about Shaykh Rabî'.' He said, "This is because he clarifies the condition of their icons and leaders." And he supported me time after time... After Ibn Bâz, Al-'Uthaymîn and Al-Albânî had gone, they said, 'these *remaining Shaykhs] are harsh.' By Allâh they lied, by Allâh they were only seizing the opportunity. The death of these scholars was an opportunity for them to pounce on the Salafi Manhaj and upon its followers, tearing them apart with principles and methodologies of the falsest and most corrupt kind. They tore apart the Salafi youth across the world and planted in their minds [this idea] that this group are harsh and extreme. How can this be...? The scholars never criticized [the scholars who used to refute.] How can we assert the Salafi manhaj [in this way] when [the scholars] were the harshest against the People of Bid'ah?   Either we reject the Manhaj of the Salaf and follow the People of Bid'ah or we say we are Salafis and we follow the path of [those Salaf] in taking the decisive and resolute positions towards the People of Bid'ah. Yes, call to Allâh with proofs and conclusive arguments, explain and clarify; if there is a heretic in front of you, a Râfidî, Sûfî, grave-devotee, whatever. Call to Allâh with wisdom and good exhortation, and with proofs and conclusive arguments. But when we come to write about the beliefs of the Râfidah, amongst whom there is lying, sinfulness and extremism, we don't mention these things? We come to the Sûfîs, amongst whom there is lying, sinfulness and extremism, but we don't mention these things? if you mention this lying and treachery and sinfulness they say you are harsh. A Sûfî, Ikhwânî ... Hizbî Tahrîrî who transgresses, lies, betrays, who has ... Allâh has explained [...audio cuts off...] [The scholars of the Salaf used to say] 'So and so is a liar, he is like this and he is like that' Allâh bless you; they used to state it clearly. Look in the books of Jarh and Ta'dîl, in the books of 'Aqîdah, we cannot reach the level [the Salaf reached] in their Jihâd against the People of Bid'ah and Shirk. By Allâh we cannot reach that level now, why? Because now there stand against us those who associate themselves with the Salafi Manhaj [but] fight against this opposition [to the People of Bid'ah] and describe it as harshness. We ask Allâh to unite the hearts, and I advise the youth – and by Allâh I have tens, rather, hundreds of advices to the Salafî youth on this – I advise them to unite together and be brothers to each other and employ the loftiest manners and behaviour when dealing with each other, Allâh bless you. They should employ patience, forbearance and wisdom. In my lessons, lectures and tele-links, in which they call me from every place, by Allâh I encourage them to come together. But these people who have stood in opposition to this Manhaj are the ones – by Allâh – who tear the Salafi youth apart across the world, in the East and West. They tear them apart and plant within them false beliefs, and then accuse us of causing schism. By Allâh I bring the youth together, and my books and recordings, which have been transcribed, all bear witness that I try to unite the youth. In Algeria, Morocco, in Yemen, Shâm (Syria, Jordan, Palestine), in all places I try to unite the youth who I know to be Salafîs, I try to bring them together in every way I can, but they [the opponents to this manhaj] cause splits and division. Never is the voice of schism and division raised except that they support that sinful voice, Allâh bless you. We free ourselves in front of Allâh from what these people slander us with. I have already said to you, wisdom is indeed needed, but ... about the Râfidah, and People of Bid'ah, you clarify their condition, do not wrong them or lie about them, but explain the reality of their affair...   [Following the adhân]   Let me finish answering this question about 'harshness.' 'Abd Al-Rahmân was my colleague, 'Abd Al-Rahmân 'Abd Al-Khâliq was my colleague at the Islamic University until I graduated in 1384H. Due to some circumstances, he went to Kuwait. He used to call to Allâh and we used to encourage him and we used to be happy that he was active in da'wah to the Salafi Manhaj. But then he began to change, bit by bit he began to change. So I used to advise him; I would write to him with kind advice. He would come to Medinah and stay here in the area of Al-Qiblatayn ... I would take him with me in my car, dropping him off at the University, taking him to my house. I kept advising him and advising him, until the advice continued for around 12 years, Allâh bless you. I advised him until when he went beyond all bounds and started to attack the scholars and mock them etc. I refuted him. After him came 'Adnân 'Ar'ûr. He claimed to follow Salafîyah but attacked the Salafî Manhaj saying the Salafî Manhaj didn't have real principles, Shaykh Ibn Bâz didn't lay down the principles but Sayed Qutb had the principles and such nonsense....[that] I should write about Sayed Qutb. I used to think better of Sayed Qutb, I would come across errors but pass them by, by Allâh there were errors about which I reserved judgement for 20 years, convinced that they were totally wrong, but wanting the sufficient evidence. After I was convinced that I should refute him I wrote Matâ'in Sayed Qutb fî Ashâbi Rasûlillâh (The Attacks of Syed Qutb on the Companions of Allâh's Messenger). This book circulated, it was published and circulated.   'Adnân 'Ar'ûr went to Shaykh Al-Albânî asking about an unclear sentence in the book. [Despite] Sayed Qutb's [derision] of the Messenger of Allâh Mûsâ – upon him be peace and blessings, his attacks on the Companions, principally 'Uthmân, Mu'âwiyah and 'Amr b. Al-'Âs, his attack on the entire Ummah and his takfîr of it, his negation of the attributes [of Allâh], his assertion of the eternal nature of the soul and his support of socialism – endless deviation that I explained in this book [and] in Shedding the Islamic Light on the Creed of Syed Qutb, ['Ar'ûr] took my book and ran off to Shaykh Al-Albânî to ask him about a sentence, and the Shaykh gave an answer that suited ['Adnân's] desires. The Shaykh hadn't seen the contents. Look at his conniving; [in this book] I started by explaining [Qutb's] disparagement of the Prophet of Allâh Mûsâ – he never mentioned that. Secondly I mentioned his disparagement of the Companions, principally 'Uthmân: [Qutb asserted that] the foundations of Islam were shattered in his time, the spirit of Islam was destroyed in his time, [Qutb] supported movements like the Saba`îyah sect against 'Uthmân and preferred them to his way – Allâh be pleased with him. Allâh bless you. ['Ar'ûr] mentioned none of these matters, he mentioned one sentence and Al-Albânî responded in a way that agreed to ['Ar'ûr's] desires ... He went and spread the tape and was extremely active [against me]....I was patient over him.   Then one year, he visited me in a group of people. I told him he had to apologize, and he tried to dodge the issue. I told him he had to apologize and those present also told him he had to, so he promised he would. Allâh bless you, he promised he would... I suddenly found that he had authored three books, The Struggle ...such-and-such book and another title, all of which revolved around the principles of Syed Qutb and praising Sayed Qutb. This was his apology. See, when he had reached this stage Allâh bless you – on top of this he held a conference in which he spoke about the issue of Al-Jarh wa Al-Ta'dîl, along with some others – I do not wish to name them now – he started a fierce campaign against me, so I began to refute him. After how long was this? After a number of years, after a long period of patience and waiting. By Allâh, I do not think anyone has patience like I do.   After him came Abul-Hasan. From the first sitting in which I met him ... he would defend the People of Bid'ah, at the head of who were Sayed Qutb, Al-Tablîgh and Al-Ikhwân, he would defend them *[..audio cuts off...] Despite all these crimes, I used to treat him with compassion and I would send him responses by Allâh privately from my fax to his, and I would not tell anyone. Then, Allâh bless you, he continued causing trials and problems until the scholars passed away. Shaykh Ibn Bâz died, Shaykh Al-'Uthaymîn and Al-Albânî died and [Abul-Hasan] began to wage war, announcing his splitting away and attacking the Salafîs [calling them] pathetic and feeble etc., praising the people of falsehood, Allâh bless you.   I wrote to him with two advices, Tanbîh Abil-Hasan and... I wrote the second advice between me and him but he took it and announced war openly against me. Look, do you understand? Do you understand this? No one is as this patient or forbearing. By Allâh all of this was for the sake of the Salafi Manhaj and for the sake of unity. But they have been planted to cause division and separation. That was it. Abul-Hasan formed his own sect; one in Medinah, one in Yemen, in Libya, in Morocco, everywhere, Allâh bless you. All based on his manhaj and principles, around 20 principles. I refuted these principles with conclusive arguments and proofs. Twenty principles including: the broad manhaj, meaning he wanted a broad manhaj that included Ahl Al-Sunnah and the rest of the Ummah in it; 'we correct [mistakes] but we do not destroy', 'we correct but we do not disparage others,' Allâh bless you. Principles like 'I am not required [to take the warning or ruling of a particular scholar].' All these principles were laid down for the purpose of rejecting the truth; principles for striking at the Salafî Manhaj, Allâh bless you. I refuted these false and corrupt principles. Allâh bless you.   Sadly, people in every place were duped by him. Before this, Allâh bless you, during the days of those scholars, when 'Adnân appeared during the lifetime of Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymîn, the scholars declared that ['Adnân] was astray (deviant). Twelve scholars struck him down and explained his deviation. He discarded them all. Only Abul-Hasan and 'Alî Hasan Abd Al-Hamîd (Al-Halabî) from Shâm remained with him, defending him and judging him to still be following Salafîyah, until this very day. Abul-Hasan came with these principles of his and this sinfulness and these deviations, and there were in Medinah, in Shâm and in every place, certain people who would defend him, until this very day.   Then came 'Alî Hasan (Al-Halabî) with the calamity of calamities, aiding them in every fitnah. He came with the calamity of calamities. Perhaps [the news of his calamities] has reached you and those of you who it has not reached, it will soon reach you, Allâh bless you.   Until today, they are the Salafîs and we are the harsh ones. Meaning, they do all these things that the People of Bid'ah have not done: the false principles, Allâh bless you; by Allâh the People of Bid'ah haven't done such things. Despite this, they are the Salafîs and we are the harsh ones. Look at these judgements, these dangerous positions, Allâh bless you. Be aware and follow the Manhaj of the Salaf; whoever says what is wrong and false, take him to account for his falsehood. And whoever says what is right and true, you are obliged to support him.   Cooperate with each other to do what is good and righteous and do not cooperate in sin and transgression.  Al-Mâ`idah: 2   The Salaf used to support the truth, [and this continued] up to the time of Ibn Bâz and Ibn 'Uthaymîn and others, they all used to support the truth. After these [scholars] went, some of the Shaykhs were tried, Allâh bless you, every time they raised their heads with a word of truth, these [opponents] broke their heads. Every time they raised their heads with a word of truth, they belittled them whilst supporting these rebellious deviants, and deeming them to be Salafîs, and [calling] us the extremists. Abul-Hasan describes us as being extremists, why? Because we criticize Sayed Qutb, we criticize the Ikhwân, we criticize Al-Tablîgh, and we criticize [other] People of Bid'ah. He calls us extremists yet by Allâh deems the socialists, Baathists and Nâsirîs to be Muslims, and he deems Al-Tablîgh and the Ikhwân – to this very day – to be from Ahl Al-Sunnah, while he knows that the scholars of the Sunnah – at the head of them Ibn Bâz and Al-Albânî - have ruled that these two sects: the Ikhwân and Al- Tablîgh are not from Ahl Al-Sunnah and that they are from the People of Bid'ah, and that they are from the doomed sects. But he opposes the scholars obstinately to this very day, even if they are headed by Ibn Bâz and Al-Albânî, Allâh bless you. He says they are from Ahl Al-Sunnah, and he deems the entire Islamic populace to be – he says 'the vast majority of the Ummah' are all Salafîs. So Al-Tablîgh and Ikhwân are Ahl Al-Sunnah, and Rabî' and those with him are extremists and this and that ... And when he comes to the Râfidah he is so well mannered, and when he comes to the other People of Bid'ah likewise. And to this day, he is the Salafî and we are the extremists.   Understand these plots and these games and these tricks. How long was I patient with him? I was patient with him for seven years or more. Then I dealt with him diplomatically in debating him privately, whilst he was inciting [others] and declaring war. He declared war on the scholars of Yemen and ditched them all, and dissociated himself from them and from the Salafîs. He announced his separation, they said, 'recant.' He said, 'never.' ... [I ask you] by Allâh, brothers; a person who is fair, can he respect this man? A person who is fair, who is a true Salafî, can he respect this man? ...   Be men; if you are Salafîs, study the Manhaj of the Salaf from its original sources and adhere to it strictly and tightly, and do not fear the blame of the blamers if you speak sincerely for Allâh. If your father or your brother deviates, the closest person to you, explain the reality of [the deviation] he has. This is the meaning of being sincere (nasîhah) to Allâh.   The religion is nasîhah to Allâh, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and the Muslim public. Sahîh Muslim O you who believe! Be just and fair and witnesses for Allâh, even against yourselves, your parents or your closest kin. Al-Nisâ`: 135   Where are these verses and narrations? Where are those who support those [who refute falsehood]? Where are these texts? Where is the Manhaj of the Salaf? Where is the Manhaj of the Imâms ... Ibn Bâz and others, where is it?   Allâh bless you, I know that there is a spreading of trials and tribulations, there is a spreading of Bid'ah and misguidance, and [people] are being fooled and cheated. So let no one fool you. Whoever errs – if Ibn Taymîyah erred, if Ibn Bâz erred – by Allâh we would refute his error. This is our way by Allâh other than whom none deserves worship. I went to Shaykh Ibn Bâz. Shaykh Ibn Bâz said, "I will advise [Shaykh Rabî']." I went to him and said, "It has reached me that you want to advise me." He replied, "Indeed." I said, "What is your advice?" He replied, "My advice is: if [Muhammad] Ibn Ibrâhîm (the former Mufti of Saudi Arabia and teacher of Shaykh Ibn Bâz) or Ibn Bâz errs, refute them." By Allâh other than whom none deserves worship.   In any of his lectures or meetings, if a person said one wrong word, Ibn Bâz would refute it. Everyone knows this; all the early students of the [Islamic] University know this about Shaykh Ibn Bâz. He would never leave an error without refuting (correcting) it. A mistake made in a newspaper, magazine, a site, anywhere, Ibn Bâz would not remain silent, he would refute it, Allâh bless you. And he would encourage the Salafîs to refute and would support them.   This is the Manhaj of the Salaf. I ask Allâh to make us and you all firm upon it, and to provide us true knowledge and insight of the religion, verily our Lord is the one who hears and answers the prayers. And may Allâh's praise and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his Family and Companions.     ______ Translated by Abu Abdillah Owais Al-Hashimi 1This translation is from a transcript of the question and answers, '...' denotes where the audio is not clear and some words are missing, according to the transcript. One or two amendments have been made to the first part of the translation, which was put out on some mailing lists. This document supersedes that first part. – Translator   Source (Arabic recording): http://www.4shared.com/audio/sCf59oGP/_________28_10_31.html  Transcribed at: http://www.sahab.net/forums/showthread.php?t=382353 Accessed 09/10/2010

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Dividing the Scholars into the 'Harsh Group' and the 'Tolerant Group'

Tuesday, 01 March 2011

By Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee A very important question answered by Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee on the 'scheme' of those who claim the Scholars are of two types/groups - the lenient, easy balanced group and the harsh, severe, critical group. An unveiling of those who hide behind the mantra, 'al-Albaanee, Ibn Baaz, Uthyameen' or the slogan 'I prefer the manhaj in da'wah of Shaykh so and so over Shaykh so and so...' A reflection upon the scholars of the Salaf, their stance towards bid'ah, the mubtadi'een and whether they were gentle with them, a look at the greatest of scholars in the modern era such as Imaam al-Albaanee, Imaam Ibn Baaz and al-'Uthaymeen and their stance towards criticising Ahlul-Bid'ah and a timeline of modern-day innovators and their trials ('Abdul-Khaaliq, A'roor, al-Ma'ribee and al-Halabee), one by one, their silence about Ahlul-Bid'ah and their attacks upon Ahlus-Sunnah. and how they pulled so many away from the Salafee Manhaj with false principles wrapped in perfumed garments - and without a doubt, they are the true causers of division.    This is one of the methods of the enemies of the Salafi Manhaj. Amongst the Salaf there were those who were harsh and those who were lenient but they never used to hold it against each other. Rather, they used to respect those who were harsh against the followers of falsehood. You have [for example] Hammâd b. Salamah. Imâm Ahmad used to praise him greatly and suspect the religion of anyone who spoke against him *saying+ 'Whoever speaks against Hammâd b. Salamah, then suspect his religion because he was harsh against the People of Bid'ah. ' Being harsh against the people of falsehood used to be a virtue according to the Salaf. But since the People of Bid'ah and misguidance have come and taken over the minds of many of the youth, very regrettably, being harsh against the people of falsehood has become a vice and a defect, and being relaxed and flexible [with them] has become a distinction and an honourable trait.     Shaykh Rabî' Al-Madkhalî on Dividing the Scholars into the 'Harsh Group' and the 'Tolerant Group' Medinah, 28 Shawwal 1431 / 7 October 2010 Shaykh Rabî' b. Hâdî 'Umayr Al-Madkhalî – Allâh preserve and protect him – was asked the following question after a recent lecture he delivered in Masjid Al-Qiblatayn, Medinah.1   [Q]: A novel way of putting people off the scholars has appeared, which is to categorize the scholars into those who are harsh and those who are lenient (tolerant), and sometimes [people who claim this] say the scholars of one region are harsh and those of another are tolerant. What is your guidance on this?   He replied, may Allâh preserve and protect him: [A]:This is one of the methods of the enemies of the Salafi Manhaj. Amongst the Salaf there were those who were harsh and those who were lenient but they never used to hold it against each other. Rather, they used to respect those who were harsh against the followers of falsehood. You have [for example] Hammâd b. Salamah. Imâm Ahmad used to praise him greatly and suspect the religion of anyone who spoke against him *saying+ 'Whoever speaks against Hammâd b. Salamah, then suspect his religion because he was harsh against the People of Bid'ah. ' Being harsh against the people of falsehood used to be a virtue according to the Salaf. But since the People of Bid'ah and misguidance have come and taken over the minds of many of the youth, very regrettably, being harsh against the people of falsehood has become a vice and a defect, and being relaxed and flexible [with them] has become a distinction and an honourable trait. [You must] adhere to the Salafi Manhaj and take the Salafi position towards the People of Bid'ah. It is not wrong to call them to Allâh wisely and through good exhortation. If they respond, thanks and praise be to Allâh. If they do not, there is no wrong in being harsh against them and ... The Salaf were harsh against them, and [in some cases] ordered some of them to be executed ... the Salaf wrote many works in refutation of them...What do you say about them? Read Al-Sharî'ah of Al-Âjurrî, read Al-Sunnah of 'Abdullah b. Ahmad, read Al-Sunnah of Al-Khallâl. Those [who decry being harsh towards the people of falsehood] have not read these works, they have not read these works and seen the position taken by the Salaf towards the People of Bid'ah and deviation. What should our stance be towards the Jahmîyah, what should our stance be towards the Râfidah and what should our stance be towards their followers and supporters? Many who associate themselves with the Salafi Manhaj got influenced by these currents and became compromised and began to fight against the callers to truth and the Sunnah [by accusing them of being] harsh. I have written [refutations] and I am the harshest one. I wrote during the time of Ibn Bâz, Al- Albânî and Al-'Uthaymîn. I refuted the Ikhwân Al-Muslimûn, (the Muslim Brotherhood) Al- Tablîgh (Tablighi Jamat) and all the People of Bid'ah and those scholars supported these writings and supported Rabî'. None of them opposed him and none of them said ... Al-Albânî said a statement praising Rabî', "[Shaykh Rabî'] is the bearer of the standard of Jarh and Ta'dîl in this era." Hmm, what do you think about this? Then [Al-Albâni] said [But Rabî'] has some harshness in him. These compromisers rejoiced and flew with the quote [spreading it everywhere]. I contacted Shaykh Al-Albânî and said, "Why O Shaykh do you accuse me of being harsh?" He said, "By Allâh this is what I personally think." I said, "O Shaykh, this harms the Salafi Da'wah and it harms me." So the Shaykh apologized – Allâh have mercy on him. Shortly afterwards, I sent him [my book] Al-'Awâsim mimmâ fî Kutub Sayed Qutb min Al- Qawâsim, which is the harshest book I have written. [Shaykh Al-Albânî] read it and supported it because it was the truth, and said, 'You have spoken the truth, so continue and do even more O Shaykh Rabî',' or words to that effect, Allâh have mercy on him. Ibn Bâz never ... He used to say, "Refute the People of Bid'ah with wisdom and good exhortation." He never used to oppose me, and by Allâh he wrote to me saying, "It has reached me that you have refuted Al-Mawdûdî – Allâh have mercy on him, and I hope you can send me a copy of this refutation." He never used to object. Shaykh Al-Tuwayjirî used to refute and refute harshly the People of Bid'ah, and Shaykh Ibn Bâz used to support him and recommend his books. Hmm, he never once said – and [Shaykh Al-Tuwayjirî also] used to refute Al-Albânî – Allâh bless you ... Shaykh Ibn Bâz never silenced him, he would never say to him, 'be silent,' he would never say, 'you are harsh,' Allâh bless you. Al-Fawzân used to refute the People of Bid'ah during the time of Shaykh Ibn Bâz, and he never said, 'be silent,' Allâh bless you. Rather he would support him ... there are so many writings [Shaykh Ibn Bâz] recommended of Shaykh Al-Tuwayjirî and he praised my books and my methodology (manhaj), Allâh have mercy on him. All of these Mashâikh used to be supportive. This is the manhaj in which we have become weak. We are not on the same level as we used to be during their time, rather we have become weak but despite this they say we are harsh, and they say Ibn Bâz [was not like you]. By Allâh, Ibn Bâz used to fight the People of Bid'ah and support those who fought them and praise those who fought them, Allâh bless you. Bring me one proof that Ibn Bâz silenced one person who refuted the People of Bid'ah. Did he silence Al-Fawzân? Did he silence Al-Tuwayjirî? Did he silence Rabî'? Did he silence Al- Albânî? Not one of them. Likewise, all the scholars used to support and aid those who speak the word of truth and refute what is wrong. [People] asked Shaykh Al-'Uthaymîn, they said, 'People say such-and-such about Shaykh Rabî'.' He said, "This is because he clarifies the condition of their icons and leaders." And he supported me time after time... After Ibn Bâz, Al-'Uthaymîn and Al-Albânî had gone, they said, 'these *remaining Shaykhs] are harsh.' By Allâh they lied, by Allâh they were only seizing the opportunity. The death of these scholars was an opportunity for them to pounce on the Salafi Manhaj and upon its followers, tearing them apart with principles and methodologies of the falsest and most corrupt kind. They tore apart the Salafi youth across the world and planted in their minds [this idea] that this group are harsh and extreme. How can this be...? The scholars never criticized [the scholars who used to refute.] How can we assert the Salafi manhaj [in this way] when [the scholars] were the harshest against the People of Bid'ah?   Either we reject the Manhaj of the Salaf and follow the People of Bid'ah or we say we are Salafis and we follow the path of [those Salaf] in taking the decisive and resolute positions towards the People of Bid'ah. Yes, call to Allâh with proofs and conclusive arguments, explain and clarify; if there is a heretic in front of you, a Râfidî, Sûfî, grave-devotee, whatever. Call to Allâh with wisdom and good exhortation, and with proofs and conclusive arguments. But when we come to write about the beliefs of the Râfidah, amongst whom there is lying, sinfulness and extremism, we don't mention these things? We come to the Sûfîs, amongst whom there is lying, sinfulness and extremism, but we don't mention these things? if you mention this lying and treachery and sinfulness they say you are harsh. A Sûfî, Ikhwânî ... Hizbî Tahrîrî who transgresses, lies, betrays, who has ... Allâh has explained [...audio cuts off...] [The scholars of the Salaf used to say] 'So and so is a liar, he is like this and he is like that' Allâh bless you; they used to state it clearly. Look in the books of Jarh and Ta'dîl, in the books of 'Aqîdah, we cannot reach the level [the Salaf reached] in their Jihâd against the People of Bid'ah and Shirk. By Allâh we cannot reach that level now, why? Because now there stand against us those who associate themselves with the Salafi Manhaj [but] fight against this opposition [to the People of Bid'ah] and describe it as harshness. We ask Allâh to unite the hearts, and I advise the youth – and by Allâh I have tens, rather, hundreds of advices to the Salafî youth on this – I advise them to unite together and be brothers to each other and employ the loftiest manners and behaviour when dealing with each other, Allâh bless you. They should employ patience, forbearance and wisdom. In my lessons, lectures and tele-links, in which they call me from every place, by Allâh I encourage them to come together. But these people who have stood in opposition to this Manhaj are the ones – by Allâh – who tear the Salafi youth apart across the world, in the East and West. They tear them apart and plant within them false beliefs, and then accuse us of causing schism. By Allâh I bring the youth together, and my books and recordings, which have been transcribed, all bear witness that I try to unite the youth. In Algeria, Morocco, in Yemen, Shâm (Syria, Jordan, Palestine), in all places I try to unite the youth who I know to be Salafîs, I try to bring them together in every way I can, but they [the opponents to this manhaj] cause splits and division. Never is the voice of schism and division raised except that they support that sinful voice, Allâh bless you. We free ourselves in front of Allâh from what these people slander us with. I have already said to you, wisdom is indeed needed, but ... about the Râfidah, and People of Bid'ah, you clarify their condition, do not wrong them or lie about them, but explain the reality of their affair...   [Following the adhân]   Let me finish answering this question about 'harshness.' 'Abd Al-Rahmân was my colleague, 'Abd Al-Rahmân 'Abd Al-Khâliq was my colleague at the Islamic University until I graduated in 1384H. Due to some circumstances, he went to Kuwait. He used to call to Allâh and we used to encourage him and we used to be happy that he was active in da'wah to the Salafi Manhaj. But then he began to change, bit by bit he began to change. So I used to advise him; I would write to him with kind advice. He would come to Medinah and stay here in the area of Al-Qiblatayn ... I would take him with me in my car, dropping him off at the University, taking him to my house. I kept advising him and advising him, until the advice continued for around 12 years, Allâh bless you. I advised him until when he went beyond all bounds and started to attack the scholars and mock them etc. I refuted him. After him came 'Adnân 'Ar'ûr. He claimed to follow Salafîyah but attacked the Salafî Manhaj saying the Salafî Manhaj didn't have real principles, Shaykh Ibn Bâz didn't lay down the principles but Sayed Qutb had the principles and such nonsense....[that] I should write about Sayed Qutb. I used to think better of Sayed Qutb, I would come across errors but pass them by, by Allâh there were errors about which I reserved judgement for 20 years, convinced that they were totally wrong, but wanting the sufficient evidence. After I was convinced that I should refute him I wrote Matâ'in Sayed Qutb fî Ashâbi Rasûlillâh (The Attacks of Syed Qutb on the Companions of Allâh's Messenger). This book circulated, it was published and circulated.   'Adnân 'Ar'ûr went to Shaykh Al-Albânî asking about an unclear sentence in the book. [Despite] Sayed Qutb's [derision] of the Messenger of Allâh Mûsâ – upon him be peace and blessings, his attacks on the Companions, principally 'Uthmân, Mu'âwiyah and 'Amr b. Al-'Âs, his attack on the entire Ummah and his takfîr of it, his negation of the attributes [of Allâh], his assertion of the eternal nature of the soul and his support of socialism – endless deviation that I explained in this book [and] in Shedding the Islamic Light on the Creed of Syed Qutb, ['Ar'ûr] took my book and ran off to Shaykh Al-Albânî to ask him about a sentence, and the Shaykh gave an answer that suited ['Adnân's] desires. The Shaykh hadn't seen the contents. Look at his conniving; [in this book] I started by explaining [Qutb's] disparagement of the Prophet of Allâh Mûsâ – he never mentioned that. Secondly I mentioned his disparagement of the Companions, principally 'Uthmân: [Qutb asserted that] the foundations of Islam were shattered in his time, the spirit of Islam was destroyed in his time, [Qutb] supported movements like the Saba`îyah sect against 'Uthmân and preferred them to his way – Allâh be pleased with him. Allâh bless you. ['Ar'ûr] mentioned none of these matters, he mentioned one sentence and Al-Albânî responded in a way that agreed to ['Ar'ûr's] desires ... He went and spread the tape and was extremely active [against me]....I was patient over him.   Then one year, he visited me in a group of people. I told him he had to apologize, and he tried to dodge the issue. I told him he had to apologize and those present also told him he had to, so he promised he would. Allâh bless you, he promised he would... I suddenly found that he had authored three books, The Struggle ...such-and-such book and another title, all of which revolved around the principles of Syed Qutb and praising Sayed Qutb. This was his apology. See, when he had reached this stage Allâh bless you – on top of this he held a conference in which he spoke about the issue of Al-Jarh wa Al-Ta'dîl, along with some others – I do not wish to name them now – he started a fierce campaign against me, so I began to refute him. After how long was this? After a number of years, after a long period of patience and waiting. By Allâh, I do not think anyone has patience like I do.   After him came Abul-Hasan. From the first sitting in which I met him ... he would defend the People of Bid'ah, at the head of who were Sayed Qutb, Al-Tablîgh and Al-Ikhwân, he would defend them *[..audio cuts off...] Despite all these crimes, I used to treat him with compassion and I would send him responses by Allâh privately from my fax to his, and I would not tell anyone. Then, Allâh bless you, he continued causing trials and problems until the scholars passed away. Shaykh Ibn Bâz died, Shaykh Al-'Uthaymîn and Al-Albânî died and [Abul-Hasan] began to wage war, announcing his splitting away and attacking the Salafîs [calling them] pathetic and feeble etc., praising the people of falsehood, Allâh bless you.   I wrote to him with two advices, Tanbîh Abil-Hasan and... I wrote the second advice between me and him but he took it and announced war openly against me. Look, do you understand? Do you understand this? No one is as this patient or forbearing. By Allâh all of this was for the sake of the Salafi Manhaj and for the sake of unity. But they have been planted to cause division and separation. That was it. Abul-Hasan formed his own sect; one in Medinah, one in Yemen, in Libya, in Morocco, everywhere, Allâh bless you. All based on his manhaj and principles, around 20 principles. I refuted these principles with conclusive arguments and proofs. Twenty principles including: the broad manhaj, meaning he wanted a broad manhaj that included Ahl Al-Sunnah and the rest of the Ummah in it; 'we correct [mistakes] but we do not destroy', 'we correct but we do not disparage others,' Allâh bless you. Principles like 'I am not required [to take the warning or ruling of a particular scholar].' All these principles were laid down for the purpose of rejecting the truth; principles for striking at the Salafî Manhaj, Allâh bless you. I refuted these false and corrupt principles. Allâh bless you.   Sadly, people in every place were duped by him. Before this, Allâh bless you, during the days of those scholars, when 'Adnân appeared during the lifetime of Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymîn, the scholars declared that ['Adnân] was astray (deviant). Twelve scholars struck him down and explained his deviation. He discarded them all. Only Abul-Hasan and 'Alî Hasan Abd Al-Hamîd (Al-Halabî) from Shâm remained with him, defending him and judging him to still be following Salafîyah, until this very day. Abul-Hasan came with these principles of his and this sinfulness and these deviations, and there were in Medinah, in Shâm and in every place, certain people who would defend him, until this very day.   Then came 'Alî Hasan (Al-Halabî) with the calamity of calamities, aiding them in every fitnah. He came with the calamity of calamities. Perhaps [the news of his calamities] has reached you and those of you who it has not reached, it will soon reach you, Allâh bless you.   Until today, they are the Salafîs and we are the harsh ones. Meaning, they do all these things that the People of Bid'ah have not done: the false principles, Allâh bless you; by Allâh the People of Bid'ah haven't done such things. Despite this, they are the Salafîs and we are the harsh ones. Look at these judgements, these dangerous positions, Allâh bless you. Be aware and follow the Manhaj of the Salaf; whoever says what is wrong and false, take him to account for his falsehood. And whoever says what is right and true, you are obliged to support him.   Cooperate with each other to do what is good and righteous and do not cooperate in sin and transgression.  Al-Mâ`idah: 2   The Salaf used to support the truth, [and this continued] up to the time of Ibn Bâz and Ibn 'Uthaymîn and others, they all used to support the truth. After these [scholars] went, some of the Shaykhs were tried, Allâh bless you, every time they raised their heads with a word of truth, these [opponents] broke their heads. Every time they raised their heads with a word of truth, they belittled them whilst supporting these rebellious deviants, and deeming them to be Salafîs, and [calling] us the extremists. Abul-Hasan describes us as being extremists, why? Because we criticize Sayed Qutb, we criticize the Ikhwân, we criticize Al-Tablîgh, and we criticize [other] People of Bid'ah. He calls us extremists yet by Allâh deems the socialists, Baathists and Nâsirîs to be Muslims, and he deems Al-Tablîgh and the Ikhwân – to this very day – to be from Ahl Al-Sunnah, while he knows that the scholars of the Sunnah – at the head of them Ibn Bâz and Al-Albânî - have ruled that these two sects: the Ikhwân and Al- Tablîgh are not from Ahl Al-Sunnah and that they are from the People of Bid'ah, and that they are from the doomed sects. But he opposes the scholars obstinately to this very day, even if they are headed by Ibn Bâz and Al-Albânî, Allâh bless you. He says they are from Ahl Al-Sunnah, and he deems the entire Islamic populace to be – he says 'the vast majority of the Ummah' are all Salafîs. So Al-Tablîgh and Ikhwân are Ahl Al-Sunnah, and Rabî' and those with him are extremists and this and that ... And when he comes to the Râfidah he is so well mannered, and when he comes to the other People of Bid'ah likewise. And to this day, he is the Salafî and we are the extremists.   Understand these plots and these games and these tricks. How long was I patient with him? I was patient with him for seven years or more. Then I dealt with him diplomatically in debating him privately, whilst he was inciting [others] and declaring war. He declared war on the scholars of Yemen and ditched them all, and dissociated himself from them and from the Salafîs. He announced his separation, they said, 'recant.' He said, 'never.' ... [I ask you] by Allâh, brothers; a person who is fair, can he respect this man? A person who is fair, who is a true Salafî, can he respect this man? ...   Be men; if you are Salafîs, study the Manhaj of the Salaf from its original sources and adhere to it strictly and tightly, and do not fear the blame of the blamers if you speak sincerely for Allâh. If your father or your brother deviates, the closest person to you, explain the reality of [the deviation] he has. This is the meaning of being sincere (nasîhah) to Allâh.   The religion is nasîhah to Allâh, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and the Muslim public. Sahîh Muslim O you who believe! Be just and fair and witnesses for Allâh, even against yourselves, your parents or your closest kin. Al-Nisâ`: 135   Where are these verses and narrations? Where are those who support those [who refute falsehood]? Where are these texts? Where is the Manhaj of the Salaf? Where is the Manhaj of the Imâms ... Ibn Bâz and others, where is it?   Allâh bless you, I know that there is a spreading of trials and tribulations, there is a spreading of Bid'ah and misguidance, and [people] are being fooled and cheated. So let no one fool you. Whoever errs – if Ibn Taymîyah erred, if Ibn Bâz erred – by Allâh we would refute his error. This is our way by Allâh other than whom none deserves worship. I went to Shaykh Ibn Bâz. Shaykh Ibn Bâz said, "I will advise [Shaykh Rabî']." I went to him and said, "It has reached me that you want to advise me." He replied, "Indeed." I said, "What is your advice?" He replied, "My advice is: if [Muhammad] Ibn Ibrâhîm (the former Mufti of Saudi Arabia and teacher of Shaykh Ibn Bâz) or Ibn Bâz errs, refute them." By Allâh other than whom none deserves worship.   In any of his lectures or meetings, if a person said one wrong word, Ibn Bâz would refute it. Everyone knows this; all the early students of the [Islamic] University know this about Shaykh Ibn Bâz. He would never leave an error without refuting (correcting) it. A mistake made in a newspaper, magazine, a site, anywhere, Ibn Bâz would not remain silent, he would refute it, Allâh bless you. And he would encourage the Salafîs to refute and would support them.   This is the Manhaj of the Salaf. I ask Allâh to make us and you all firm upon it, and to provide us true knowledge and insight of the religion, verily our Lord is the one who hears and answers the prayers. And may Allâh's praise and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his Family and Companions.     ______ Translated by Abu Abdillah Owais Al-Hashimi 1This translation is from a transcript of the question and answers, '...' denotes where the audio is not clear and some words are missing, according to the transcript. One or two amendments have been made to the first part of the translation, which was put out on some mailing lists. This document supersedes that first part. – Translator   Source (Arabic recording): http://www.4shared.com/audio/sCf59oGP/_________28_10_31.html  Transcribed at: http://www.sahab.net/forums/showthread.php?t=382353 Accessed 09/10/2010

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